GeForce GTX 285: 55nm Enabling Higher Performance
by Derek Wilson on January 15, 2009 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Final Words
So here's the deal. We can find the GTX 280 for about $340 if we aren't looking very hard (it can actually be had right now before mail in rebate for $325 at newegg but we'll give the 285 the benefit of the doubt). Compared to the $380 we can grab the new GeForce GTX 285 for, that's over 11% more money for only about 10% performance improvement. Of course there are more aggressively overclocked parts out there but they tend to cost a bit more as well. We do often see decreasing value with increasing performance, but it's not something we like. And if you don't mind mail in rebates the GTX 280 can be had for $300.
It looks like the benefit to the consumer here is going to be the unloading of GTX 280 hardware at prices that put it in better competition to the Radeon 4870 1GB. Of course the 4870 1GB is still a lot cheaper, but the GTX 280 starts to get a little more attractive at only 20% more expensive than the 4870 1GB as much of the time the performance advantage is larger than that. There are exceptions, of course.
It is a little more difficult to compare the GeForce GTX 285 to AMD hardware because of the price point. AMD doesn't have a card that hits the $400 mark (without mail in rebates that is: the 4870 X2 can hit $400 after mail ins). At about $50 more expensive, as we've noted, the 4870 X2 is just over 13% higher in price. Typically the 4870 X2, even in games that don't favor AMD architecture, leads the GeForce GTX 285 by more than that, often at performance about 18% higher at 2560x1600. This indicates that even at the higher price, value (price/performance) is higher with the 4870 X2.
In spite of the potential advantages offered by the Radeon 4870 X2, we have qualms about recommending it based on our experiences since October with the introduction of Core i7 and X58 and the multitude of software titles that were released. Driver support just isn't what it needs to be to really get behind an AMD single card dual-GPU solution right now. The issue is less about what's out now and more about support for titles as they come out and fast responses to issues (which AMD can't provide). The 8.12 hotfix (that is listed as only necessary with 4850 CrossFire) actually has improved stability and performance on all the single and dual setups we've tested on Core i7. We haven't finished putting it through its paces, but so far this one is a real step in the right direction. Unfortunately it will be months before we see this hotfix rolled into a WHQL driver. We definitely recommend this hotfix at least to anyone using AMD hardware on Vista x64 with a Core i7 platform.
In summary, despite its typical 10% performance advantage, the GeForce GTX 285 offers less price/performance than the GTX 280. The closest price competitor to the GTX 285, the Radeon HD 4870 X2, also offers better value, but at a higher price. At the same time, we have reservations about putting our weight behind the 4870 X2 with the driver issues we've experienced lately.
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SiliconDoc - Monday, January 19, 2009 - link
Here, take a look at the power useage:.
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews...">http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews...
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There you see the SICKNESS in all it's silicon cooking glory... the 4870x2, the 4850x2 AND the 3870x2 ALL COMSUME MORE POWER THAN THE GTX295(x2) .
Just look at that CRAP.....
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Now it's time to say WHAT HASN'T BEEN SAID:
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Since the 4870/4870x2/512/1024/2048 are all on a SMALLER silicon die - and all have a HIGHER core clockspeed, and ALL have mroe electricity surging through them, all causing MORE HEAT ... with those smaller cores FILLED UP WITH DATA and electricity more often at a DENSER level - guess what's coming ? !? !
It's only been 5 months- and SOON - the 4870 monsters - due to ELECTROMIGRATION - are going to start BURNING OUT...
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YES BURN OUT TIME FOR THE SMALLER ATI CORES IS COMING SOON TO A RIG NEAR YOU !
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lol - Another gigantic POINT - the raging reds have for 5 months never considered.... never brought up - never talked about...
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I can HARDLY WAIT till the failures start hitting hard.. in bigger and bigger numbers - it's inevitable.
hk6900 - Saturday, February 21, 2009 - link
I really hope that you get curb-stomped. It'd be hilarious to see you
begging for help, and then someone stomps on the back of your head,
leaving you to die in horrible, agonizing pain. *beep*
Shut the *beep* up f aggot, before you get your face bashed in and cut
to ribbons, and your throat slit.
SiliconDoc - Monday, January 19, 2009 - link
The 4870 uses more power in idle - look at the power charts." No power savings" = 4870
Gosh I am really sick of the lies.
How did you manage to get yourself to spew that out ?
The 285 is lower in idle than a 260 which also beats the 4870.
"no power savings" = deranged redfan.
sam187 - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
I still would like to know if the GTX285/295 support Hybrid SLI -> Hybrid Power...Daeros - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
AFIK, the entire GTX2XX line dropped hybrid power. The only cards that support it are the high-end 9XXX cards.sam187 - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
The GTX260/280 also support it:http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybrid_sli_desktop.ht...">http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybrid_sli_desktop.ht...
Daeros - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
wow, I totally missed that. sorryAberforth - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
man, some of these reviews are getting very generic and boring day by day, you take pictures of a product at different angles and do the number game, maybe it's because the technologies and innovations these days are becoming so forced and profit oriented.GaryJohnson - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
As opposed to the before time or the long long ago when technology was all about mystery and wonder?Aberforth - Thursday, January 15, 2009 - link
Yes